Re: [Fwd: génia

["yann\(nospam\)" <"yann\(nospam\)"@yannos.com>]

Jean-Baptiste Quenot a écrit :
> * yann(nospam):
> 
> 
>>Tu parles bien de  la machine conçue par la société  qui a débauché un
>>des principal  développeur BSD pour  ensuite le planter sans  le payer
>>pour son travail?
> 
> 
> Déjà, ton message  est complètement hors-sujet par  rapport à l'annonce.
> Ensuite,  tes affirmations  ne  peuvent avoir  de la  valeur  que si  tu
> indiques d'où tu tires cette information.
> 
> 
>>Cette même machine boycotée par la communauté BSD ?
> 
> 
> Là,  je ne  comprends vraiment  pas.  Encore  une affirmation  lancée au
> hasard?
> 
> 
>>C'est  pas contre  toi, mais  je  ne peux  pas supporter  de voir  des
>>sociétés profiter de  la passion des gens pour faire  bosser à l'oeuil
>>des gars sous prétexte qu'il font de l'opensource.
> 
> 
> Allez, reprend  ton souffle!  Détend  toi, apparemment  tu es le  seul à
> t'énerver sur ce sujet là.

Je ne trouves plus la source mais le post du mec, oui:
m: Dale Rahn (drahndalerahn.com)
Date: Thu Mar 25 2004 - 23:54:00 CST

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OpenBSD/pegasos is gone.

 From what originally sounded like promising Open Source support, the
relationship between Genesi and Dale Rahn has turned quite sour.

I was initially contacted in Oct 2002 regarding porting OpenBSD to
the Pegasos I system. After some months, they contracted me to port
and support OpenBSD on the Pegasos I for a small amount of money and
5 boards for the use of myself and other OpenBSD developers. Due to
the production/hardware problems in the Pegasos I boards, I ended up
receiving one board. After the port was up and running with snapshots
and source changes available, it became clear that those systems were
not to ship in quantity, and the effort was stopped.

I was then contacted early in October 2003 asking me to update the port
for the 3.4 release. Because the funding for the DARPA Grant which
had been paying me was running out, I updated the code, made several
improvements and had it ready for a simultaneous release with the
official OpenBSD release.

I was hired on Oct 27 2003 as a non-benefits employee. Genesi wanted
me to port and support OpenBSD on the Pegasos II system. When I was
hired, I tried to impress on Bill Buck (who hired me over the phone)
that documentation was required to write the software and support a
commercial offering based on the Pegasos boards. I was reassured that
documentation would not be a problem.

Genesi was in talks with ShopIP regarding shipping Pegasos based
firewall boxes running ShopIP's crunchbox software. They were chasing
the high revenue opportunity.

Because of my status in OpenBSD and the fact that Genesi was (to be)
paying me a salary I worked on finishing the Pegasos port and getting it
into the OpenBSD tree.

Things appeared to be going well, however a minor delay was announced
with our Dec 1 paychecks. They were to be delayed until about Dec 10
due to 'stock market issues'. I was flown out to New York City to help
with the presentation of the 'Guardian', the Pegasos Crunchbox at the
InfoSec conference. When at the conference some unusual negotiation was
occurring between ShopIP and Genesi, there were some questions raised
as to who the 'IP' of ShopIP belonged as apparently the developer had
not been paid for nearly 2 years. This apparently came out about the
time that Genesi and ShopIP were negotiating how the guardian was to be
configured and the proceeds distributed.

As the conference ended, the delayed payday arrived. Several of the
other 'employees' of Genesi were quite anxious to receive their checks
and a plan was made to FedEx the checks from the conference. Since I was
at the conference with Paul, I was written a check (for Oct and Nov) and
handed it.

Later I find out that the other checks which were to be FedEx'ed were
never sent. The check which I was handed (for $10,000) turned out to be
dated 12/11/01 (two years previous), the bank refused to honor the check
and did not even attempt to cash it. (Much later I find out that the
account did not have the money present, even if the check had gone thru
the bank).

After living thru a very uncomfortable Christmas, my smallest and most
miserable in my life because I had not seen any money from Genesi, I
finally blew up shortly after the new year and told them I was ready to
walk. Part of me was still hoping to get the 15,000 they owed me at that
point, or I would have walked then. This resulted in them paying me for
one month of work ('we have no money left') to keep me around.

The Pegasos II which had just shipped and was still sitting unopened on
the floor might have also influenced that money. So, I was mollified and
the OpenBSD port was started. Unfortunately, because of non-standard PCI
probing methods in the new northbridge, porting the software took longer
than expected.

After some workarounds from hints from thrice forwarded emails, I was
able to configure the system and get it running. It would have been
quite straightforward to have written this properly if they had provided
the documentation as they had planned. I pointed this out and stated
that to write the gigabit ethernet which was to be used in the Guardian
product, it would need that documentation otherwise a performant correct
driver could not be written. bPlan and the Linux developer Sven (who
by that time was unemployed due to Thendic-France closing) had the
documentation. I, however, as a Genesi employee was not allowed to
obtain the documentation.

Finally, (to shut me up I think), I was sent the linux driver for the
onboard gigabit. I had previously told them that having a linux driver
as reference would be nice but could not replace documentation, as most
linux drivers do not lend themselves to being comprehended in such a
way that the hardware is understandable and that a driver for OpenBSD
could be written. That and the fact I found they were not configuring
the gig-E interrupt correctly, but were tying it to the generic IRQ9 so
that it gets serviced occasionally, was quite amusing.

I continued attempting to improve the port for some time, meanwhile
working on OpenBSD/cats, however little progress was made on Pegasos.

It was announced that a new Pegasos II board run would occur and hints
appeared on the developer chat areas that new firmware enhancements
were to appear. Wanting OpenBSD to be able to support the new features
(reset!) of this firmware, I attempted to obtain a copy. After about a
week of begging on the chat sessions, I was able to locate someone who
had a copy of the early firmware and obtain a copy. The normal source,
the developer and the other bPlan representatives ignored all requests.

When I tested this new firmware on my machine, I panicked. OpenBSD would
not boot. It would load the kernel and hang. I IMMEDIATELY contacted
the Genesi and bPlan people claiming that this firmware had problems
and that these problems needed to be resolved before the hardware was
released. I offered my time to help locate the change which caused
the problem, whether it was an error in the new firmware or modified
assumptions that both the firmware and the OpenBSD kernel make. I
received exactly one response stating some things had changed, however
the reply was not specific enough to use to start debugging the issue.
All other attempts at contact were ignored. About 1.5 weeks later the
new boards were released and according to information by one of the
users, released with firmware made the day I contacted them (which was
newer that what I tested). No further communication was received after
_many_ attempts were made.

After over a week of this, the announcement that (again?) there would be
no payments made (was the end of the month again) and that the health
benefits which they had been promising for the last 3 months would be
delayed at least another month, I resigned (the date, March 1st). It was
quite clear that Bill Buck who was supposed to be CEO of Genesi and 'in
charge' had no power over bPlan. bPlan didn't care at all about OpenBSD
or the overall quality of the board in the embedded market. I received a
simple reply that was an acceptance of my resignation, and a statement
that "We will make every effort to pay you for the services you have
provided over the past several months".

At the point I left Genesi, I did not threaten or put any conditions on
OpenBSD/pegasos. I continued asking Genesi/bPlan for fixed firmware or
comments on what changed. No response ever came.

Finally I sent them a note stating that it was too late for any changes
to go into the OpenBSD release (which is at the end of the 3.5 release
cycle) and that we would not be able to release OpenBSD/pegasos based on
the support provided and that it would be removed from the tree after
3.5. This finally provoked a response: Since "you were not able to work
on Genesi related projects after February 4th" any "consulting fees"
would not paid past that date. In addition, I was to be billed for the
two boards which were sent to Theo de Raadt.

This is how I was treated in the employ of Genesi, I hope that no others
will be hurt by this company's empty promises or as a result of using
their shoddy products.

So here I am after having worked for Genesi for 4.5 months, paid for
almost _5_weeks_, and searching for a job. Sigh.

Dale Rahn drahndalerahn.com

"

Donc, malgrès le fait que je collectionne les machines, je n'achèterais 
pas celle-ci.

-- 
@+ Yann le plus détendu possible

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