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qu'en pensez-vous? ce problème des quotas est vicieux! ---------- Message réacheminé ---------- Subject: Re: It's that time again... Job Analysis Survey Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 13:39:56 -0800 From: "Alan Mead" <alan@lpi.org> Ironically, in the US companies are supposed to keep track of "protected group membership" to show that men and women of many different ethnic categories are involved. I say "ironically" because I think racial categories are inherently racist. So the way to achieve racial justice is to institutionalize racism? Well, I don't make the rules... [As an aside: My wife just filled out an application for a job and, get this. It asked about race and gender. And above these questions, it had a paragraph describing that the data were required for EEOC complicance. *AND* it said that if she failed to self-identify (i.e., if she didn't answer the questions) they would be "forced" to fill in the EEOC information from "visual observation" and "personal knowledge"!] LPI doesn't legally need to do this. But someday one of our tests might be challenged in court and it would be better for LPI to be able to show this diversity. Of course, even if there is never a legal challenge, we want to represent the entire diversity of Linux users if at all possible. (And these questions would just document how close we came to our goal.) Perhaps more importantly, job analysis is a process created by industrial psychologists. And in psychology it is expected that researchers are able to accurately describe the group of people who participate in their research. This includes demographic variables such as gender and race. So from a professional standpoint, gathering these data is simply professional practice. Anyway, I am sorry for anyone who was offended. These questions appeared on our first job analysis survey. I wasn't in charge of the first JASS but with 1400 participants, I never heard that we had a complaint about these questions. So given all this, I did not give any thought to whether we should have these questions. However, they are optional; you do not need to supply an answer if you do not wish to do so. -Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: <kara@lpi.org>To: Jean-Daniel Dodin <jdanield@dodin.net>Cc: <lpi-discuss@lpi.org>Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2001 10:30 AM Subject: Re: It's that time again... Job Analysis Survey : Alan? : : On Sun, 4 Feb 2001, Jean-Daniel Dodin wrote: : : > I just complete the survey, and I question why you ask for ethnic and : > racial questions. what will this have to do with Linux ? : > : > jdd -- This message was sent from the lpi-discuss mailing list. Send `unsubscribe lpi-discuss' in the subject to Listar@lpi.org to leave the list. ------------------------------------------------------- -- <http://www.dodin.net> <mailto:jdanield@dodin.net>QUI EST CET HOMME ? Aidez-moi à le retrouver WHO'S THAT GUY ? Help me found it http://www.dodin.net/serge/index.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- Aide sur la liste: <URL:mailto:linux-31-help@savage.iut-blagnac.fr>Le CULTe sur le web: <URL:http://www.CULTe.org/>