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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 16:02:04 +0200 From: Guylhem XXXX <culte@externe.net>To: linux-31 <linux-31@CULTe.org>Subject: RMS au CULTe le 10 juillet Chers amis et membres du CULTe, je crois que les messages de mise au point historique de JDD vous ont mis la puce à l'oreille sur un grand évènement devant bientôt se produire à l'asso. Il y a quelques mois, notre cher président me téléphona un soir pour me confier un projet un peu fou : faire venir RMS ou Linus à Toulouse pour inaugurer notre « salle des machines » et surtout donner un petit discours aux membres. Je l'ai avertis aussitôt que le projet était irréaliste, ambitieux, fou, ... mais très très temptant, et lui promis toute mon aide pour arriver à ce résultat, d'autant plus que j'étais à la recherche d'un orateur de qualité pour réunir les entreprises et les doctorants en sciences à l'UPS !! Nous avons eu des mois de travail « en cachette » au sein d'un petit groupe, pour ne pas donner de faux espoirs - je m'en excuse par avance, mais je voulais avant tout annoncer une bonne nouvelle plutôt que de créer un bataille royale. Malgré tout, quelques fois les discussions furent rudes, et d'autres fois nous avons eu peur qu'un crosspostage malheureux sur linux-31 ne vienne trahir le projet et le fasse précocément échouer. Mais aujourd'hui, j'ai toutefois le plaisir de vous annoncer officiellement que Richard Stallman viendra à Toulouse le Samedi 10 Juillet 2004 à l'invitation du CULTe et du CDT. N'hésitez pas à diffuser très largement l'information et à faire venir tout le monde ! Informez la presse, faites des affiches, etc - toutes les bonnes volontées sont les bienvenues ! Pour sa venue, il faut remercier principalement le travail acharné de Patrick Labatut et de Jean Daniel Dodin, qui n'ont pas hésité à se retrousser les manches alors qu'ils croûlaient déjà sous le travail, et considérer le bien être commun du CULTe au delà des divergences mineures d'opinions. RMS vient à Toulouse, je crois qu'on peut être fier du résultat et les remercier ! Ce sera pour beaucoup l'occasion d'entendre son excellent français et de lui serrer la patte ! (www.stallman.org) Le plan de la journée est le suivant : - Samedi 11h : petit déjeuner avec les doctorants de l'UPS et les entreprises, pour parler du logiciel libre comme débouché professionel - Samedi 12h : diner privé avec les hommes politiques de Ramonville, pour les encourager à agir contre les projets de brevets logiciels et autres lois liberticides - Samedi 15h : conférence publique au grand amphi de l'UPS avec tous les membres du CULTe bien sûr - Samedi 18h : vin d'honneur et pique nique en plein air pour fêter dignement cette journée du libre ! Il n'est pas sûr que RMS puisse rester avec nous pour soûper, vu l'extraordinaire charge de travail qu'il a chaque jour à répondre à tous ses courriels (6h/jour) . Néanmoins, si vous voulez le rencontrer de plus prêt, nous sommes à la recherche de 2 volontaires pour 1) le conduire de Bordeaux à Toulouse à 8h45 au matin (une voiture climatisée SVP), et 2) l'héberger le Samedi soir avant qu'il ne parte pour Barcelone le lendemain (air conditionné aussi + connection internet SVP cf infra). Comme vous verrez indiqué dans son mail, il n'est pas très exigeant. Il vient avec son matelas et un boût de plancher dans un pièce avec une porte qui ferme lui suffit - entre geeks, on est à la bonne franquette. --> Patrick, Guylhem, jdd filtrent ces propositions --> courrier en privé, j'ai peur de 300 mails d'admiratrices de rms ;-)) --> pour le transport mais sans clim j'ai Pour venir ici, il n'a demandé qu'une chose : que le Club des Utilisateurs de Linux Toulouse et des Environs s'ouvre un peu au reste du monde du libre, et complète la dénomination « Linux » ou alors la remplace par un terme plus générique, invitant les autres logiciels libres (et BSD, Open Office pour windows, ... ??) - une position que je trouve tout à fait justifiée. Le Conseil d'Administration a donc voté pour un changement du nom - nous sommes désormais le Club des Utilisateurs de Libre de Toulouse et des Environs, et sommes en train de mettre à jour le site WEB [avis personnel - ce serait peut être l'occasion de changer le logo pingouin par autre chose?] --> Commentaire de Patrick LABATUT Président du CULTe --> Je commente ici le propo de Guylhem en remerciant l'auteur de notre Logo --> actuel. C'est le seul volontaire qui à prit le temps de crayonner un dessin. --> et ma foi il est pas mal avec sa faluche ? ? Le sigle et l'URL ne changeront pas bien sûr ! Nous restons culte.org, et même si le nom de l'association est un sujet particulièrement propice pour les trolls (moi même je préfèrais l'ancien nom ANRTT...) , je vous demanderai gentilment d'éviter de trop troller dessus : la décision à été prise à l'unanimité, et on pourra grâce à ça désormais associer dans nos mémoires le nom CULTe soit à la mémorable assemblée générale/foire d'empoigne qui vit disparaître le nom ANRTT, soit plutôt à la venue de RMS à Toulouse. Personellement, je l'ai toujours dis, je n'étais pas un grand fan de « culte ». Mais maintenant, avec une telle histoire, je dois vous avouer que je trouve le nom pas mal et que j'en suis même un fervent partisant : Liberté, dans les logiciels et ailleurs - voici une valeur dans laquelle je me reconnais pleinement ! --> commentaire de Patrick LABATUT --> une AG traitera le nom de notre association. On ne peut pas se contenter du --> vote du CA qui valide une acception "libre" courante du L qui faisait une --> par trop belle au L de GNU/Linux --> je n'ai pas souhaite une "AG en catastrophe" pour changer de nom --> on convoque pas 95 personnes sous 15 jours --> la décision n'a pas été facile pour moi. C'est ma décision. Je propose de choisir démocratiquement le sujet de la conférence de l'après midi. Des volontaires pour l'enregistrement ogg/vidéo seraient aussi les bienvenus. --> idée PL : la liberté et les libertes menacées ce serait pas mal --> nombres de mails tournent actuellement sur cette thématique --> A DEBATTRE --> Jdd et Philippe Coulonges pourraient faire le secrétariat de ce débat sur le --> théme de la conférence. Voici pour informations la partie intéressante du courriel envoyé par RMS - merci de ne pas lui répondre directement (6h de mail par jour déjà ! Pas besoin de plus) mais de répondre sur la liste pour centraliser les réponses. --> suite PL plus bas ------------------------------- My usual speech about the Free Software Movement and GNU takes between 2 and 2.5 hours. That typically includes about one and a half hours of my speaking, plus plenty of time for questions, because people usually want to ask a lot of questions. I can also do a shorter speech about free software which takes one hour plus time for questions. Some subtopics will be omitted, and the picture may not be as clear. A typical title would be this: The Free Software Movement and the GNU/Linux Operating System For the shortened speech, we could use the title Free Software in Ethics and in Practice There are other topics I speak about, such as Copyright vs Community in the Age of Computer Networks and The Danger of Software Patents These topics take just an hour. I can also possibly speak about some other topic if you suggest one. Abstract: For a speech about the Free Software Movement and GNU/Linux, you can use this abstract: Richard Stallman will speak about the goals and philosophy of the Free Software Movement, and the status and history the GNU operating system, which in combination with the kernel Linux is now used by tens of millions of users world-wide. That abstract will work for the one-hour speech as well. For Copyright vs Community, you can use this abstract: Copyright developed in the age of the printing press, and was designed to fit with the system of centralized copying imposed by the printing press. But the copyright system does not fit well with computer networks, and only draconian punishments can enforce it. The global corporations that profit from copyright are lobbying for draconian punishments, and to increase their copyright powers, while suppressing public access to technology. But if we seriously hope to serve the only legitimate purpose of copyright--to promote progress, for the benefit of the public--then we must make changes in the other direction. For Against Software Patents, you can use this abstract: Richard Stallman will explain how software patents obstruct software development. Software patents are patents that cover software ideas. They restrict the development of software, so that every design decision brings a risk of getting sued. Patents in other fields restrict factories, but software patents restrict every computer user. Economic research shows that they even retard progress. Photo: There is a black-and-white photograph of me as a 5820K Encapsulated Postscript file (http://www.stallman.org/rms-bw.eps) 3762K JPEG file (http://www.stallman.org/rms-bw.jpeg), and 5815K TIFF file (http://www.stallman.org/rms-bw.tiff). Asking for the text: I don't write my speeches in advance--that would take too much time. However, transcripts of my past speeches are available. Participation in a larger event: I am selective about the events I participate in. If you are inviting me to speak at a larger event, please inform me now of the overall nature of the event, so I can make an informed decision about whether to participate. I usually decline to participate in "open source" or "Linux" events. See http://www.gnu.org/gnu/gnu-linux-faq.html for why it is incorrect to refer to the operating system as "Linux". "Open source" is the slogan of a movement that was formed as a reaction against the free software movement. Those who support its views have a right to promote them, but I would rather promote the ideals of free software. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-software-for-freedom.html for more explanation of the difference. Erecting a larger event: If you are thinking of erecting a larger event around my speech, please talk with me about the plans for such a larger event before proceeding with them. I want to make sure the event entirely supports what I am trying to achieve. Facilities: A microphone is desirable if the room is large, but I have a very loud voice, so I don't need one for a small or medium room. A supply of tea with milk and sugar would be nice; otherwise, non-diet pepsi will do. (I dislike the taste of coke, and of all diet soda; also, there is an international boycott of the Coca Cola company for killing union organizers in Colombia). If it is good tea, I like it without milk and sugar. No other facilities are needed. Languages: I can speak in English, French, and Spanish. However, for Spanish it is very important for a person to be seated next to me who speaks very good English and Spanish, so I can ask him how to say certain things when I need them. If the audience won't be comfortable with a language I can speak, it is important to have a translator. For the full speech on Free Software and the GNU/Linux System, the only feasible kind of translation is simultaneous translation. The speech (with questions) normally lasts over two hours; to use consecutive translation would double that to four hours. That is too long. Restricting admission: If you plan to restrict admission to my speech, or charge a fee for admission, please discuss this with me in advance and get my approval for the plan. I'm not categorically against limiting admission or fees, but excluding people means the speech does less good, so I want to make sure that the limitations are as small as necessary. For instance, you can allow students and low-paid people and political activists to get in free, even if professionals have to pay. We will discuss what to do. Sponsors: If corporations sponsor my talk, I am willing to include a small tasteful note of thanks in announcements and brochures, but no more than that. There should be no descriptions of their products or services, and no banners with their names. If a would-be sponsor insists on more than that, we have to do without that sponsor. If my speech is part of a pre-existing larger event that I have agreed to participate in, I can't impose such conditions for the whole event. However, if banners will be on display next to me while I am speaking, that is rather obnoxious; if they advertise organizations that I disapprove of on ethical grounds (which is not unlikely) I would want to take them down, cover them up, or turn them off during my speech. Publicity: The GNU Project constantly struggles against two widespread mistakes that undermine the effectiveness of our work: calling our work "open source", and calling the GNU operating system "Linux". Another very bad mistake is using the term "intellectual property". The Free Software Movement and the Open Source Movement are like two political parties in our community. I founded the Free Software Movement in 1984 along with the GNU Project; we call our work "free software" because it is software that respects the users freedom. The Open Source Movement was founded, in 1998, specifically to reject our idealistic philosophy--they studiously avoid talking about freedom. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-software-for-freedom.html for more explanation of the difference between the two movements. So please make sure that all the publicity about the event (web site, email announcements, conference programs, direct mail, signs, etc), uses the term "free software", not "open source", when you refer to my work. This includes to the title and descriptions of my speech, of the session it is in, of the track it is part of, and of the event itself. Of course, some of these names and descriptions may not refer to this work at all; for example, if a track or the whole event covers a much broader topic in which free software is just a small part, its name may not refer to free software. That is normal and appropriate. The point is not to ask you to refer to my work more often than you normally would, but that you should describe it accurately whenever you do refer to it. If other speakers in the same session, track, or event want their work to be categorized as "open source", that is a legitimate request for them to make. In that case, please give "free software" equal mention with "open source". If you think it is useful to tell people how free software relates to open source, you can say that "since 1998, another group has used the term `open source' to describe a related activity." That will tell people that my work has a relationship with "open source", which they may have heard of, without implying it is right to describe my work as "open source." The other widespread confusion is the idea of a "Linux operating system". The system in question, the system that Debian and Red Hat distribute, the system that 20 million people use, is basically the GNU operating system, with Linux added as the kernel. When people call the whole system "Linux", they deny us the credit for our work, and this is not right. (See http://www.gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.html for more explanation.) So please call this combined operating system "GNU/Linux" in all the publicity, in the titles and description of the session, track, event, etc., if and when you have reason to refer to it. For similar reasons, please don't use a penguin as a symbol for my work, or on the posters or notices for my speech. The penguin stands for "Linux"; the symbol of GNU is a gnu. So if you want to use a graphical image to symbolize GNU or my work, please use a gnu. If you have handled these issues well, nobody who looks at your material will get the impression that I work on "open source", or that I support "open source", or that my work is "part of Linux", or that I participated in the "development of Linux", or that GNU is the name of "a collection of tools". As for the term "intellectual property", that spreads confusion and hostile bias. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html for explanation. I hope you will decide to reject that expression, as I do; but in any case, don't use it in connection with my speech. At the speech: Please arrange for someone to hand out and collect our "contact cards". FSF would like to keep in touch with those who support us, to give you updates on what we are doing and how you can help. If you are willing, Dr. Stallman asks that you fill out these contact cards, which he can take back with him so you can receive updates about FSF. The FSF will not release this information unless forced to. In some cases I can bring preprinted contact cards or the FSF can ship them to you. Otherwise we can send you a file and you can print them. A week before the talk, please ask me which one it will be. Changes of plans: Don't assume that I can still come if you change the date. My schedule is tight. If you change the date by even one day, I may be unable to come. However, I will certainly be flexible if there is no obstacle. Please consult with me before making any change, and I will see what I can do. Scheduling other meetings: I have agreed to give a speech for you, and if the press wants to talk with me, I will do that for the sake of the cause. However, if you would like me to give additional speeches or go to additional meetings, please ask me first. Please ask me about *each* activity you would like me to perform. Many people assume that because I am traveling, I am having a vacation--that I have no other work to do, so I can spend the whole day speaking or meeting with people. Some hosts even feel that they ought to try to fill up my time as a matter of good hospitality. Alas, it's not that way for me. The fact is, I have no vacations. (Don't feel sorry for me; idleness is not something I wish for.) I have to spend 6 to 8 hours *every day* doing my usual work, which is responding to email about the GNU Project and the Free Software Movement. Work comes in every day for me, and if I skip it one day, I have to catch up another day. During the week I usually fall behind; on weekends I try to catch up. Traveling takes up time, so I will be extra busy during my visit. And it might be nice if I could do at least an hour or two of sightseeing during the visit. So please ask me *in advance* about *each* additional speech, meeting, or other activity that would take time. I don't mind being asked, and I may say yes, but I also may say no. Remember that an additional speech, even if it is just a one-hour speech, probably takes up two hours or more when you count the travel time. I may be able to spend some of that time answering my mail, but it depends on details. Interviews: I am glad to give interviews to the press about the GNU system, but before I do, I want to be sure they will not repeat the two common mistakes (calling the whole system "Linux" and associating GNU or me with "open source"). Please explain this, and ask the journalist if he will agree to call the system "GNU/Linux" in the article, and to make it clear that our work is "free software" not "open source". Recommend reading http://www.gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.html and http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-software-for-freedom.html for explanations of these issues. If the journalist agrees, then I agree to an interview. Please have this discussion by email, and save the messages in both directions. Sometimes a journalist gives a vaguely affirmative-sounding or sympathetic response which does not really answer "yes". Examples are "I will do this as much as I can" and "I understand the distinction." Such an answer is actually just "maybe", so when you receive one, please ask for clarification. If he says that the editor has the final decision, please respond with "Would you please consult the editor now, and tell us a firm decision?" Also please ask journalists to *see my speech* before the interview. My speeches are not technical; they focus on precisely the sort of philosophical questions that a journalist would probably want to cover. If the journalist does not attend my speech, he will probably start by asking me to answer the same questions that I answer in the speech. That is inefficient. Please ask each journalist to agree to make a recording of the interview. Written notes are not reliable, so I have decided not to do that sort of interview any more. It is also a good idea for the journalist to read http://www.gnu.org/gnu/the-gnu-project.html and some of the articles in http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/ before the interview. Those articles provide important background. This is especially important for anyone who cannot come to my speech first. I am willing to meet with any number of journalists, but if there are many, I can't meet all of them individually (it would take too much time). So what I will do is give private interviews to 2 or maybe 3 of them, whichever ones you think are most important, and see the rest of them as a group (i.e. in a press conference). You and your associates can judge better than I do which journalists and which publications I should focus on. So I would like you to advise me about that. Please try to judge both the importance of the publication and the merits (intelligence, attention to accuracy, openness of mind, and absence of bias) of the journalist, if you can. If you schedule a press conference or group interview, please *plan the time of my speech to allow the inteview after it*. It may be a good idea to find out from journalists what times are good for them, then schedule the conference, then schedule the speech before it. This way, they will all be able to get the full picture. Recording my speech: Please do record the speech if you can. We are always looking for good recordings of my speeches, both audio and video, to put on line. If you are making a recording, please *make sure* to tell me when the tape needs to be changed. I will pause. Please help me help you make the recording complete. Putting my speech on the net: If you would like to put my speech on the Internet, or distribute it in digital form, that is ok provided you make sure that a user can play the recording on a GNU/Linux system using only free software. For instance, this means RealPlayer format is unacceptable. OGG/Vorbis format is good for audio, and OpenDIVX is good for video. If OGG/Theora format is ready, let's use that for video. This requirement is very important, because if it is not followed, viewing my speech will require people to do the exact opposite of what I ask them to do. The medium would contradict the message. Because this is so important, please make sure everyone who might be involved in broadcasting the event, or who might be directly or indirectly involved in planning such a broadcast, knows this requirement in advance of the event. Remote speeches by video connection: I can do a speech remotely through a videoconferencing system. I have tried it using the internet, but video was so slow and gappy that I don't want to try that again. However, doing it by ISDN works well. If I am at home, there is a facility I can use at no charge; you would have to pay for the ISDN calls and for the facilities at your end. If I am somewhere else (which is true about half the time), then we will need to find a videoconferencing facility for me to use; most likely you will need to pay for that. Warning about giveways: You may find companies offering you CD-ROMs, books, fliers or publicity materials to give away or sell at my speech. Please check them before you accept them, to make sure that they don't promote the very thing that we are working to replace. For instance, the CDs may contain non-free software. Most commercial CDs of GNU/Linux contain non-free software in addition to the free software. If it isn't the official Debian GNU/Linux system, it almost surely contains non-free software, so please don't hand it out or offer it at my speech. Even if it contains the official Debian GNU/Linux system, the publisher may have added some non-free software to that, so it is necessary to check. Books about use of the GNU/Linux system and about GNU programs are fine if they themselves are also free. But many of them are non-free (see http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-doc.html). To see if a book is free, check the license on the back of the title page. If it uses the GNU Free Documentation License, or the Open Publication License version 1 without options A and B, then it is free. If it isn't one of those, please show me the license and I will tell you if it is a free license. If companies send you publicity materials, please check with me before giving them out at my speech. (...) Accommodations: I am willing to stay in a hotel if that is the way you want to do it. Please book the hotel for me and arrange to pay the hotel directly. But if there is anyone who wants to offer a spare couch, or even some spare floor, I would much rather stay there than in a hotel (provided I have a door I can close to in order to have some privacy). Staying with someone is more fun for me than a hotel, and it would also save you money. Floor space is sufficient because I bring an air mattress with me. Note, however, that in a hot and/or humid place I need air conditioning or I will be unable to sleep. At 72 fahrenheit (22 centigrade) it becomes quite difficult except when the air is dry. I sometimes like cats, but they are not good for me; I am somewhat allergic to them. So I need the bed and the room I will usually be staying in to be clean of cat hair. However, it is no problem if there is a cat elsewhere in the house--I might even enjoy it. Dogs that occasionally jump up on people frighten me unless they are tiny. But if they only do that when we enter the house, I can cope as long as you hold the dog away from me at that time. If you put me in a hotel, please cover the costs of the telephone calls I will need to transfer my email. Some hotels charge a lot of money for this. Many countries have a law that hotels must report all guests to the police. In most cases, this orwellian policy applies not only to foreigners like me, but to citizens as well! The citizens should be outraged by this, but often they are not. If your country has this policy, please join me in striking a blow against Big Brother, by finding a place other than a hotel for me to stay in. I will be happier in my visit if I can stay in a place that doesn't demand to see my passport. If the police want to talk with me about free software, they are welcome to come to my speech. If you have found a person for me to stay with, please forward this section and the two following sections to that person. Beds: Many people like hard beds, but they cause me muscle aches that keep me awake. In general there is no way you can determine for me whether a bed is too hard; hardness is relative and we do not know how your standards compare with mine. But one data point is that futons are always too hard for me. I have tried many futons, and every one of them was painful. So if it isn't distinctly softer than every futon you have ever seen, it is too hard. If you don't know for a fact that I can sleep on the bed you have in mind, please arrange to have on hand either a vacuum cleaner or a hair dryer with a "cool" setting, so I can to inflate my air mattress if I need it. Hotel beds are often very hard; I cannot necessarily sleep on the bed in the hotel. But at least we can count on a hotel to have a vacuum cleaner. In case you are wondering, I cannot feel a pea under a mattress, but I might feel a peanut under a thin mattress. Email: It is very important for me to be able to transfer email between my laptop and the net, so I can do my ordinary work. While traveling, I often need to do the work and the transfer late at night, or in the morning before a departure. So please set up a way I can connect to the net from the place I am staying. A modem connection is fine if it works, so please verify in advance that the telephone line you expect me to use has a modular jack and that it works to call the ISP from that line. Hotels in Europe and Asia often have peculiar phone systems; the staff may tell you it is possible to call an ISP from the hotel *but they may be wrong*. The only way to tell for certain is to go to the hotel, try phoning with a computer from a guest room, and see if it actually works. Until you have tested it, don't believe it! I already have ISPs to call in the US and in some other places; elsewhere, please find me a local ISP to call. (It would be nice if the account will continue working afterward, so that I can use it again if I come back or from other places in the region.) Hotel phone fees may be significant, and I expect you to cover them. However, I normally connect to the net only for around ten minutes at a time, twice a day, so it won't be too much. If a hotel says "We have internet access for customers", that is so vague it is meaningless. So please find out exactly what they have. If they have ethernet connections, that will work, provided they do not have a firewall that blocks ssh. If they have phone lines for computers, that will work if you come up with an ISP I can use. If they have wireless lan, that won't work, since I do not have wireless cards. (...) Food: I enjoy delicious food, and I like most kinds of cooking if they are done well (the exception being that I cannot eat anything very spicy). So I like to go to restaurants that are good at whatever kind of food they do. I don't arrive with specific preferences for a kind of food to eat--rather, I want to have whatever is good in the area: perhaps the local traditional cuisine, or the food of an immigrant ethnic group which is present in large numbers, or something unusual and original. Some foods I dislike include: avocado eggplant, usually desserts that contain fruit or liqueur sour fruits, such as grapefruit and most oranges hot pepper liver (even in trace quantities) stomach and intestine; other organ meats oysters I often dislike foods that taste strongly of egg yolk, and some strong cheeses. It would be nice for you to ask around among your acquaintances to find people who like good food and are familiar with the area's restaurants. They will be able to give good recommendations. Sightseeing: If I am visiting an interesting city or region, I will probably want to do a few hours of sightseeing in between the work. But don't try to plan sightseeing for me without asking me first--I can only spare a limited time for it, so I am selective about where to go. Please don't assume I want to see something just because it is customary to take visitors there. That place may be of no interest with me. Instead, please tell me about possible places to visit--then I can say what I would like. I enjoy natural beauty such as mountains and rocky coasts, ancient buildings, impressive and unusual modern buildings, and trains. I like caves, and if there is a chance to go caving I would enjoy that. (I am just a novice as a caver.) I often find museums interesting. If there is a chance to watch folk dancing, I would probably enjoy that. I tend to like music that has a feeling of dance in it, but I sometimes like other kinds too. However, I generally dislike the various genres that are popular in the US, such as rock, country, rap, reggae, techno, and composed American "folk". Please tell me what unusual music and dance forms are present; I can tell you if I am interested. If there is something else interesting and unique, please tell me about it. Maybe I will be interested. ---------------------------------------------------------- Bien a vous - Best regards, Guylhem P. XXXX -- *@externe.net http://externe.net Perime/Deprecated: @oeil.qc.ca, @metalab.unc.edu, @ibiblio.org, @7un.org GPG: 92EB37C1 DD11C9C9 20519D01 E8FA1B11 42975AF7 http://externe.net/pubkey Bien a vous - Best regards, Guylhem P. XXXX -- *@externe.net http://externe.net Perime/Deprecated: @oeil.qc.ca, @metalab.unc.edu, @ibiblio.org, @7un.org GPG: 92EB37C1 DD11C9C9 20519D01 E8FA1B11 42975AF7 http://externe.net/pubkey ------------------------------------------------------- Apres Guylhem et rms je reprend le clavier : Merci aux 40 personnes qui avaient entendu parler de notre projet et qui n'ont pas ébruité les choses. Merci a ceux qui ont bossé et à ceux qui bosserons. Merci à la mairie de Ramonville à l'UPS, a nos partenaires. Pour les démocrates inquiets de notre mode de "préparation à l'arrache" qu'ils sachent que pour faire venir rms c'était une gageure que Guylhem à réussi. Ne boudons pas notre plaisir. Vous pouvez lacher l'information, encore merci pour le silence lors de la période de travail. Et vive le LL Patrick LABATUT Président du CULTe
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